Comments on: Comparative Language Job Trend Graphs http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/ Listen. Reflect. Explore. Solve. Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:49:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Jonathan http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-770 Jonathan Tue, 26 May 2009 03:37:15 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-770 I was one of the ones that (unfortunately) was led to believe that Perl is stagnating. I have spent time investigating Python and Ruby extensively. After this post I will defiantly be looking into Perl. Thank you for enlightening me! I was one of the ones that (unfortunately) was led to believe that Perl is stagnating. I have spent time investigating Python and Ruby extensively. After this post I will defiantly be looking into Perl. Thank you for enlightening me!

]]> By: TIOBE Index is being gamed « Not this… http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-687 TIOBE Index is being gamed « Not this… Sun, 17 May 2009 23:35:51 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-687 [...] sites like http://www.langpop.com/, James Robson’s Language Usage Indicators, or my popular comparison of job trends blog post with ‘live’ [...] [...] sites like http://www.langpop.com/, James Robson’s Language Usage Indicators, or my popular comparison of job trends blog post with ‘live’ [...]

]]> By: KeRiCr http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-523 KeRiCr Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:04:23 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-523 Found your post on this while I was scanning over a post I wrote on a similar topic going into much less depth; I had also checked "ruby" against the job trends graph and thought to myself that it was incredibly out of scale when compared to my other searches. Pointing out that Ruby Tuesday was generating false positives was something I didn't think about. Thanks for that. Found your post on this while I was scanning over a post I wrote on a similar topic going into much less depth; I had also checked “ruby” against the job trends graph and thought to myself that it was incredibly out of scale when compared to my other searches. Pointing out that Ruby Tuesday was generating false positives was something I didn’t think about. Thanks for that.

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-365 TimBunce Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:16:38 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-365 Just got an email from Odinjobs recommending their job trend graphs. I'm just going to copy it here as it may be useful to the (many) people who come to this page looking for job trend information. ---snip--- Hello Tim: Thanks again for your participation in the open source interview and the Perl expert interview back in December. I thought you would find the updated stats on Perl as a helpful source for one of your upcoming blog entries. You can find it at: http://www.odinjobs.com/Odin/marketstatcompare?id=4251&q=perl Better yet, you can compare Perl to another skill of your choice. You can also add variables such as location, role, and industry. Here is an example of a comparison of Perl versus Java: http://www.odinjobs.com/Odin/marketstatcompare?id=4252&q=perl+vs+java Here is how one blogger used the information: http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/infosphere/how-to-kick-start-your-datastage-career-27481 You can post a widget of the stats comparison on your blog or site or post any of the individual charts comparing Perl to another skill to support any blog entry or article concerning the statistics. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thanks. Carl Williams Marketing Director Odinjobs ---snip--- Just got an email from Odinjobs recommending their job trend graphs. I’m just going to copy it here as it may be useful to the (many) people who come to this page looking for job trend information.

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Hello Tim:

Thanks again for your participation in the open source interview and the Perl expert interview back in December. I thought you would find the updated stats on Perl as a helpful source for one of your upcoming blog entries. You can find it at: http://www.odinjobs.com/Odin/marketstatcompare?id=4251&q=perl

Better yet, you can compare Perl to another skill of your choice. You can also add variables such as location, role, and industry.

Here is an example of a comparison of Perl versus Java: http://www.odinjobs.com/Odin/marketstatcompare?id=4252&q=perl+vs+java

Here is how one blogger used the information: http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/infosphere/how-to-kick-start-your-datastage-career-27481

You can post a widget of the stats comparison on your blog or site or post any of the individual charts comparing Perl to another skill to support any blog entry or article concerning the statistics.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thanks.

Carl Williams
Marketing Director
Odinjobs
—snip—

]]> By: delade | Why do designers fail to adopt Perl? http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-297 delade | Why do designers fail to adopt Perl? Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:33:44 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-297 [...] Perl is all but invisible to most web users. It is still one of the best-established languages of choice, yet remains behind the scenes and out of the limelight. This “brand invisibility,” [...] [...] Perl is all but invisible to most web users. It is still one of the best-established languages of choice, yet remains behind the scenes and out of the limelight. This “brand invisibility,” [...]

]]> By: Comparative Language Job Trend Graphs | WhiteSandsDigital.com http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-239 Comparative Language Job Trend Graphs | WhiteSandsDigital.com Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:00:35 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-239 [...] we can see the trends of perl, python,ruby.. programming jobsread more | digg [...] [...] we can see the trends of perl, python,ruby.. programming jobsread more | digg [...]

]]> By: MichaelMilewski http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-92 MichaelMilewski Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:33:31 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-92 One aspect that is interesting and you do not cover is the dynamic languages that run on the Java platform. As Java has such a large install base and this is supported by your numbers of Java jobs, there is massive scope for scripting languages to take off on the JVM. Such things as Groovy, Scala, jRuby, jPython, etc. I am not saying that these programming languages score high at the moment but if they take off they could really take off. One aspect that is interesting and you do not cover is the dynamic languages that run on the Java platform. As Java has such a large install base and this is supported by your numbers of Java jobs, there is massive scope for scripting languages to take off on the JVM. Such things as Groovy, Scala, jRuby, jPython, etc. I am not saying that these programming languages score high at the moment but if they take off they could really take off.

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-54 TimBunce Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:20:47 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-54 Fixed. Thanks Tye. Fixed. Thanks Tye.

]]> By: Tye http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-53 Tye Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:12:02 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-53 s/0.2%/0.02%/ for Perl. Nice write-up. s/0.2%/0.02%/ for Perl. Nice write-up.

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-52 TimBunce Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:57:53 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-52 For the record, literally, I've uploaded http://timbunce.wordpress.com/files/2008/02/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs-2008-02.pdf as a snapshot of how the graphs looked in mid-February 2008 (the graphs all still say "Feb 2005 thru Dec 2007"). For the record, literally, I’ve uploaded http://timbunce.wordpress.com/files/2008/02/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs-2008-02.pdf as a snapshot of how the graphs looked in mid-February 2008 (the graphs all still say “Feb 2005 thru Dec 2007″).

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-48 TimBunce Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:18:14 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-48 Just remembered something I forgot to mention earlier: http://jobs.perl.org/ I believe many Perl jobs get advertised here first (because it's known that good perl developers know that good jobs can be found there) and so many of them don't reach the 'mainstream' job sites. Perhaps similar sites exist for other languages. At http://jobs.perl.org/about/stats you can see the historical growth in their perl job adverts. Currently running at around 160 per month. Just remembered something I forgot to mention earlier: http://jobs.perl.org/

I believe many Perl jobs get advertised here first (because it’s known that good perl developers know that good jobs can be found there) and so many of them don’t reach the ‘mainstream’ job sites.

Perhaps similar sites exist for other languages.

At http://jobs.perl.org/about/stats you can see the historical growth in their perl job adverts. Currently running at around 160 per month.

]]> By: Naveen Bala http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-41 Naveen Bala Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:07:24 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-41 Tim, Thanks for your suggestions. It was very helpful. We are modifying to include your suggestions to make it easy to embed the graphs and add links to the market statistics page. Let you know when it is available. Tim, Thanks for your suggestions. It was very helpful. We are modifying to include your suggestions to make it easy to embed the graphs and add links to the market statistics page. Let you know when it is available.

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-40 TimBunce Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:50:12 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-40 Re #13: Hello Naveen. I'd love to include a permanent link to some interesting page *but I can't do so easily* so I won't. Some free advice: I suggest you change the forms to use GET requests instead of POST so people can easily bookmark and/or *blog* about specific queries. (Or at least add a 'permalink' somewhere that people can use - but I'd prefer a GET request.) That could greatly help your search ranking. Look at the indeed.com trend graph page and you'll see they've made it easy for bloggers and others to embed their graphs. Smart move. Do the same. Fix the urls of the graph images to not be temporary file names but rather urls that'll (re)generate the appropriate graph. Also make the initial MarketStatistics page start with two rows not one to emphasise that it can do a comparison. p.p.s I posted a comment previously that I've since deleted because I'd misinterpreted the graphs. Re #13: Hello Naveen. I’d love to include a permanent link to some interesting page *but I can’t do so easily* so I won’t.

Some free advice: I suggest you change the forms to use GET requests instead of POST so people can easily bookmark and/or *blog* about specific queries. (Or at least add a ‘permalink’ somewhere that people can use – but I’d prefer a GET request.) That could greatly help your search ranking. Look at the indeed.com trend graph page and you’ll see they’ve made it easy for bloggers and others to embed their graphs. Smart move. Do the same. Fix the urls of the graph images to not be temporary file names but rather urls that’ll (re)generate the appropriate graph. Also make the initial MarketStatistics page start with two rows not one to emphasise that it can do a comparison.

p.p.s I posted a comment previously that I’ve since deleted because I’d misinterpreted the graphs.

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-38 TimBunce Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:19:30 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-38 Re #12: Hello Peyton. Web related work was not the focus of this post. Perl, python and ruby are general purpose languages with uses, and jobs, far beyond the web. I do include it in some of the graphs at the end where I added php and javascript for perspective. It does seem that some people have very web-centric view of the development world, so I've added in an extra graph. It turns out that the new graph best captures why there's a "perl is stagnant" meme around. So thanks for that! Re #12: Hello Peyton. Web related work was not the focus of this post. Perl, python and ruby are general purpose languages with uses, and jobs, far beyond the web. I do include it in some of the graphs at the end where I added php and javascript for perspective.

It does seem that some people have very web-centric view of the development world, so I’ve added in an extra graph. It turns out that the new graph best captures why there’s a “perl is stagnant” meme around. So thanks for that!

]]> By: Naveen Bala http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-30 Naveen Bala Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:18:07 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-30 Tim, Excellent work, what I have noticed that over the last year jobs requiring perl was 3 times that of jobs requiring php. For a US geographical comparison of perl jobs, you may be interested in http://www.odinjobs.com/Perl_job_market_overview.html which uses google maps to show a heat map of perl jobs and salaries. You may also be interested to see the actual count of perl,php,ruby etc jobs for the past year and it is available at http://www.odinjobs.com/StaffIT/MarketStatistics Pl give me your feedback if you get a chance to look at it. Tim,
Excellent work, what I have noticed that over the last year jobs requiring perl was 3 times that of jobs requiring php. For a US geographical comparison of perl jobs, you may be interested in http://www.odinjobs.com/Perl_job_market_overview.html which uses google maps to show a heat map of perl jobs and salaries.

You may also be interested to see the actual count of perl,php,ruby etc jobs for the past year and it is available at http://www.odinjobs.com/StaffIT/MarketStatistics

Pl give me your feedback if you get a chance to look at it.

]]> By: Peyton http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-27 Peyton Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:28:54 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-27 I think it would have been more interesting to search for "web developer" and then drilled down into perl vs python vs ruby comparisons. Most postings for web developers are not going to specifically say "perl developer" "python developer" etc because web applications typically require a variety of skills, without emphasizing on one in particular. Perl is used in a lot more situations than just web development (like systems administration) - python and ruby not as much. I imagine that's going to skew your results quite a bit... I think it would have been more interesting to search for “web developer” and then drilled down into perl vs python vs ruby comparisons. Most postings for web developers are not going to specifically say “perl developer” “python developer” etc because web applications typically require a variety of skills, without emphasizing on one in particular. Perl is used in a lot more situations than just web development (like systems administration) – python and ruby not as much. I imagine that’s going to skew your results quite a bit…

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-25 TimBunce Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:14:55 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-25 Hi Qiang. Good point. That date range appears on any trend graph you might ask indeed.com to create. I'd guess that that's when the data indexes underlying the graphs were last updated. Hi Qiang. Good point. That date range appears on any trend graph you might ask indeed.com to create. I’d guess that that’s when the data indexes underlying the graphs were last updated.

]]> By: Qiang http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-24 Qiang Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:26:41 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-24 bottom of the graph has "Feb 3,2005 - Dec 28, 2007".. shouldn't the date be reflected if the graphs are live? bottom of the graph has “Feb 3,2005 – Dec 28, 2007″.. shouldn’t the date be reflected if the graphs are live?

]]> By: timbunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-22 timbunce Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:32:33 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-22 I'd be happy to agree with you, Anonymous Coward, if you show me the evidence. I’d be happy to agree with you, Anonymous Coward, if you show me the evidence.

]]> By: UriShare - Surprising job trend data for ruby python perl and others http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/#comment-20 UriShare - Surprising job trend data for ruby python perl and others Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:55:35 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=15#comment-20 [...] Surprising job trend data for ruby python perl and others Most job trend graphs just use the programming language name as a single keyword, so any mention anywhere in the job description counts. Here " developer" and " programmer" are compared and yield some surprising results. Perl, Python, Submitted: 1 minute ago Category: Technology Submitter: RssFeed Website: blog.timbunce.org Report this link: Click here to report Comments: 0 [...] [...] Surprising job trend data for ruby python perl and others Most job trend graphs just use the programming language name as a single keyword, so any mention anywhere in the job description counts. Here " developer" and " programmer" are compared and yield some surprising results. Perl, Python, Submitted: 1 minute ago Category: Technology Submitter: RssFeed Website: blog.timbunce.org Report this link: Click here to report Comments: 0 [...]

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