Comments on: TIOBE or not TIOBE – “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/ Listen. Reflect. Explore. Solve. Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:36:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: seandenigris.com » Programming Language Rankings http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-2649 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 00:33:36 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-2649 [...] TIOBE or not TIOBE – “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” [...]

]]> By: World’s Most Popular Programming Languages « Quest 4 Knowledge http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-1948 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:21:41 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-1948 [...] In this little survey, PHP has come out the winner. Java & ASP.NET have more reputed sites among them (powerful companies are its developers & a proper support system since its maintained by them) but the open source languages like PHP, Python have the numbers(huge number of small scale sites) & luckily for PHP, some of the large scale sites using it have become so renowned that they are right there lying smug on top of the popularity list . Ref : Debate : Languages used in Google & other popular sites Various Languages List Tiobe Stats Criticism [...]

]]> By: CPAN Testers supports Perl programmingdagolden | rapid-DEV.net http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-941 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:30:22 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-941 [...] TIOBE or not TIOBE – “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” [...]

]]> By: CPAN Testers supports Perl programming | rapid-DEV.net http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-937 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:28:46 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-937 [...] TIOBE or not TIOBE – “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” [...]

]]> By: CPAN Testers supports Perl programming http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-847 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:23:28 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-847 [...] TIOBE or not TIOBE – “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” [...]

]]> By: TIOBE Index is being gamed « Not this… http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-685 Sun, 17 May 2009 23:35:31 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-685 [...] fact that TIOBE’s methodology, which I’ve discussed previously here and here, is simplistic makes it particularly open to gaming. Any one, or any community, with [...]

]]> By: Perl Blogs « transfixed but not dead! http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-684 Sun, 17 May 2009 15:45:27 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-684 [...] course there are additional motives behind all this. Now whether your concerned about Perl’s position in TIOBE results or not it [...]

]]> By: Thanks, Iron Man, for the good excuse to perl blog « Not this… http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-653 Sun, 10 May 2009 22:24:12 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-653 [...] pages. The first is to help people searching for “perl blog”. The second is mostly for my own amusement. Comments [...]

]]> By: Dave http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-433 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:47:54 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-433 And on top of that, searching Google or any other engine doesn’t necessarily prove popularity of anything.

Maybe the reason Java has so many results is that it is a pain in the XXX so there are tons of people out there looking for help. ;)

]]> By: iDentity Crysis http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-317 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:25:48 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-317 Personally, I think that the TIOBE index is very skewed by the beginner effect. I believe that most of the hits for the top languages are in fact just student/hobbyist programmers asking for help etc. I’m sure there are a lot more people posting questions and answers for Visual Basic and Delphi than there are posting about Cobol or AS/400 CL. Then again, when you think about it, finding the amount of current chatter about a language does seem to be a fairly good indication of how many people are working with or learning it.

Aside from that, who cares? Why get upset when somebody says Java is more “popular” than Python? If you’re making money, that’s the most important thing. If you really want to blow off TIOBE’s findings, then make the argument that really, for any given architecture, there is only *one* language – everything else is just a kind of pre-processor.

Ha Ha

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-271 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:27:08 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-271 Kebabbert, see http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/20/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-an-update/

]]> By: Kebabbert http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-270 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:13:00 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-270 Interesting analysis. Do you have any constructive suggestion to how they should change their methodology?

]]> By: Bernardo Rechea http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-265 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:23:59 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-265 “Sure. The measurement has flaws. But do you have a better idea? Tiobe is the best I know of. Can you beat it? Or are you just whining?”

When the flaws are so egregious, being the best is not good enough. Come to think of it, what does it mean to be the best at doing something wrong, anyway? Bringing to our attention that Tiobe is unreliable at every step of their methodology (underlying assumptions, search aggregation, even the math) is useful by itself, without trying to “beat it”.

]]> By: Arthur Grifith http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-261 Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:54:50 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-261 Sure. The measurement has flaws. But do you have a better idea? Tiobe is the best I know of. Can you beat it? Or are you just whining?

]]> By: Brad Wood http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-236 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:28:41 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-236 Interesting analysis. I hadn’t paid much attention to Tiobe until this May. On the misinformation of an outsider, they removed ColdFusion from the list claiming it wasn’t a programming language. Much to their chagrin they were immediately corrected, but on the realization that the technically “correct” way to refer to ColdFusion-the-language was “CFML” (which almost nobody actually calls it) they changed their search terms and it promptly fell into oblivion.

It would kind of be like Googling for “bathroom tissue” (technically correct) instead of “Kleenex” (most common vernacular) and wondering why you got so much fewer results.

]]> By: This is a perl blog, too. At least partly. « Not this… http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-147 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:27:26 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-147 [...] I’m only spelling it out like this because, by saying “perl blog“, I help to keep Mr. Schwern happy, and I’m saying “perl programming” purely for my own amusement. [...]

]]> By: Lies, damn lies, and search engine rankings « Not this… http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-143 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:05:57 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-143 [...] Filed under: tech — TimBunce @ 10:56 am Tags: graphs, search I started a related recent post with a quote that seems just as apt here: “Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have [...]

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-141 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:22:15 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-141 Bayrak, I’m not sure what you mean. Perhaps you could contact me by email.

]]> By: Bayrak http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-140 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:36:32 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-140 do you know any information about this subject in other languages?

]]> By: TIOBE or not TIOBE - An Update « Not this… http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/#comment-128 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:02:23 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=31#comment-128 [...] TIOBE or not TIOBE – An Update Filed under: software — TimBunce @ 9:43 pm Tags: language, perl, python, search, trends This is an update to my earlier post TIOBE or not TIOBE – “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” [...]

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