Comments on: TIOBE Index is being gamed http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/ Listen. Reflect. Explore. Solve. Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:36:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Gene Wirchenko http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-2863 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:30:31 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-2863 Some years ago, there was a bit of hoopla in the FoxPro community when FoxPro made it into the TIOBE top 25. I looked at the figures with considerable skepticism. There was no reason that I could think for why the sudden change. Unless it was noise or the index being gamed.

I use Visual FoxPro. Is it a good language? I think it is pretty good for what I use it for. Is its popularity relevant to what I use it for? Not very.

Does popularity of languages really vary that much month to month? I find it very difficult to believe that it does.

]]> By: Manojchowdhury http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-2682 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 05:14:31 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-2682 nich researchable information.really great.

]]> By: Choosing web framework: ASP.NET MVC vs Django Python vs Ruby on Rails - Pavel Podlipensky http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-2640 Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:44:27 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-2640 [...] good resource for technology statistics is TIOBE Programming Community [...]

]]> By: » Choosing a web framework: Python, Django vs. Ruby on Rails - Embracing Chaos http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-2586 Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:52:46 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-2586 [...] Tiobe Index attempts to objectively measure activity across programming languages.  By its easily manipulated measure, Python has twice the activity of Ruby, independent of the django / rails frameworks, with [...]

]]> By: seandenigris.com » Programming Language Rankings http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-2557 Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:35:08 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-2557 [...] TIOBE Index is being gamed [...]

]]> By: M.S. Babaei http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-2507 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 03:21:20 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-2507 “foo programming” Keep in mind it just matches English language pages only!! another -1 for tiobe

]]> By: Robinson Nelson http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-2181 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:40:35 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-2181 That sure seems like an invitation to game the system !!

]]> By: TIOBE or not TIOBE – An Update « Not this… http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-1950 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:46:19 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-1950 [...] Update: It seems that the TIOBE Index is being gamed. [...]

]]> By: perlprogramming.org looking for a nice home | dagolden http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-1833 Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:33:38 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-1833 [...] and people were saying how Perl needs better visibility. (I was probably inspired by Tim's post about TIOBE). Currently, I just redirect to perl.org. The domain is coming up for renewal and I'll gladly sign [...]

]]> By: Andy http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-1494 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:19:41 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-1494 Honestly I got a bit disappointed when I saw the last Tiobe “Language of the year 2009″ given to the “Google Go” that is quite new in the development field. I can’t believe that people are already trying to use it as a professional working instrument feeding forums, blog articles, consistent software projects.
The “Google Go Language” appeared in the Tiobe list only for the January 2010 list.

]]> By: Software, Technology, Business & Life » Blog Archive » TIOBE Index: The 2009 Programming Language Survey http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-1492 Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:56:55 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-1492 [...] The TIOBE Index isn’t to be taken as gospel. Category: Life, Software, Technology  |  Comment [...]

]]> By: Gaming the TIOBE Index — Javamancy http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-978 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:24:23 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-978 [...] few days ago, Tim Bunce discussed on his blog about how the TIOBE Index can be, and perhaps has been, gamed, primarily through having owners of various Web pages/sites crowdjamming their content with [...]

]]> By: CPAN Testers supports Perl programming http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-848 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:23:31 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-848 [...] TIOBE Index is being gamed [...]

]]> By: TimBunce http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-794 Thu, 28 May 2009 11:42:55 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-794 I don’t think it’s “spam” when a term like “delphi programming” is added to a page that is actually about delphi programming. It seems to me that that action is gaming the TIOBE index (because the index measures a term that’s relatively rarely used) but it’s not spamming a search engine index.

]]> By: tann http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-788 Wed, 27 May 2009 22:50:40 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-788 For those of us working on the search engines used by tiobe, we have a word for this sort of “game” – “spam”. Heck, we spend some ridiculous amount of money just to rid these tricks off our indices. They aren’t nothing new (porn sites have done it since beginning of time), but they can do quite a damage to our data.

]]> By: May 2009 Perl Seminar NY talks online http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-732 Thu, 21 May 2009 11:34:21 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-732 [...] Tuesday, I gave two talks at Perl Seminar NY — which, for TIOBE’s sake, is about Perl programming.  This was the last Perl Seminar for the 2008-2009 season and meetings [...]

]]> By: Top Posts « WordPress.com http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-711 Wed, 20 May 2009 00:11:36 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-711 [...] TIOBE Index is being gamed It is sad, but inevitable, that the TIOBE index of programming language “popularity” (sic) would be [...] [...]

]]> By: adrian http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-702 Mon, 18 May 2009 18:20:54 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-702 Sorry, I am all for conspiracy theories, but this article is on the lame side.
So, a single guy says something in his blog (that is not even a very known blog in Delphi circles), and somehow this transforms in a
“concerted effort and it seems to have paid off” ? Yes? How so?

Going to the TIOBE homepage, I see for Delphi:

Position May 2009 Position May 2008
11 11

So much for “paying off”. Delphi is in the same exact position today as it was a year ago. (before the “concerted effort” by this guy even started)

Truth is, given the little hype is always had, Delphi has always ranked “too high” in Tiobe. But even when conspiracy theories are always nice truth is probably related with 2 simpler reasons than millions of Delphi users getting together to game a silly popularity index:

1) TIOBE is actually not a scientific thing, it is more like something to have fun. Sad so many people feels to strongly about it. It probably is getting fooled somehow by the other “delphis” like the oracle or the cars.

2) Delphi is not as “small” as people thinks. True, it targets a non fashionable user base (windows gui apps), but even if not in vogue, simple win32 gui apps (standalone, no runtimes) is a huge market that nobody else seems to really care about.
Just looking at my computer right now, I have open 3 apps written in Delphi (FeedDemon, Skype and SpyBot).

]]> By: RickM http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-701 Mon, 18 May 2009 15:13:46 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-701 TIOBE lost all credibility with me when they arbitrarily removed ColdFusion using rules (if they were consistent) that would have eliminated four languages in their top 20.

If there’s anyone who believes there are more Delphi programmers out there than CF’ers show me the proof.

]]> By: Haskell Programming http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/05/17/tiobe-index-is-being-gamed/#comment-700 Mon, 18 May 2009 13:11:28 +0000 http://timbunce.wordpress.com/?p=270#comment-700 I don’t think anyone has ever taken tiobe seriously.

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