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		<title>Perl Myths and Mongers in Dublin</title>
		<link>http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/09/22/perl-myths-and-mongers-in-dublin/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last weekend I went up to Dublin to speak at OSSBarcamp. I took the train from Limerick on Friday so I&#8217;d already be in Dublin the following morning, without having to get up at the crack of dawn.
Dublin.pm
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last weekend I went up to Dublin to speak at <a href="http://www.ossbarcamp.com/">OSSBarcamp</a>. I took the train from Limerick on Friday so I&#8217;d already be in Dublin the following morning, without having to get up at the crack of dawn.</p>
<h2>Dublin.pm</h2>
<p>Aidan Kehoe and I had a very small but interesting Dublin.pm meeting that night. Their first since 2004! Our wide-ranging discussions that night included me trying to understand what led Dublin.pm to flounder instead of flourish. I think a key factor was the (implicit?) expectation that members should make technical presentations.</p>
<p>Living in the west of Ireland there aren&#8217;t enough local Perl users (that I&#8217;ve found so far) to have a viable Perl Mongers group. So I setup the <a href="http://www.meetup.com/limerick-open-source/">Limerick Open Source</a> meetup instead.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what worked for us: We sit around in a quiet comfy hotel bar and chat. Naturally the chat tends towards the technical, and laptops are produced and turned around to illustrate a point or show results of a search, a chunk of video etc. There&#8217;s no set agenda, no declared topics, and no presentations. And yet, I think it&#8217;s fair to say, that everyone who&#8217;s come along has learnt interesting (albeit random) stuff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear from perl mongers, in groups of all sizes, what kinds of balance between the social and technical aspects of Perl Mongers meetings works (or doesn&#8217;t work) for you.</p>
<h2>OSSBarcamp</h2>
<p>At OSSBarcamp I gave a ~15 minute &#8216;lightning talk&#8217; on Devel::NYTProf in the morning, and a ~50 minute talk on Perl Myths in the afternoon.</p>
<p>The Perl Myths talk was a major update to my <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200802">previous version</a>, now over 18 months old, incorporating lots of updated graphs and <a href="http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/08/13/help-me-update-my-perl-myths-talk-for-2009/">other fresh information</a>.</p>
<p>There is so much happy vibrant productive life in the Perl community that updating the presentation has been lovely experience. I keep having to revise the numbers on the slides upwards. There are lots of great graphs and they&#8217;re all going upwards too! (Many thanks to <a href="http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk/">Barbie</a> for the great new graphs of CPAN stats.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve put a PDF of the slides, with notes, <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200909">on slideshare</a>. Best viewed full-screen or downloaded.</p>
<p>I made a screencast but I think I&#8217;ll hang on to that until after I give the same talk, updated again, at the <a href="http://conferences.yapceurope.org/ipw2009/">Italian Perl Workshop</a> (IPW09) in Pisa in October &mdash; I&#8217;m really looking forward to that! I&#8217;ll make another screencast there and decide then which to upload.</p>
<p>After OSSBarcamp last week, and before IPW09 in late October, I&#8217;ll be flying to Moscow, visa permitting, to give a talk at the <a href="http://www.highload.ru/">HighLoad++</a> (<a href="http://translate.google.com.au/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.highload.ru&amp;sl=ru&amp;tl=en&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8">translated</a>) conference. I&#8217;ve never been to Russia before so that&#8217;s going to be an amazing experience!</p>
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		<title>Help me update my Perl Myths talk for 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m going to be speaking at the OSS BarCamp in Dublin in September. Given the likely audience I think my Perl Myths talk would be a good fit.
It needs updating though, and that&#8217;s where you can help&#8230;
It&#8217;s a strongly fact base talk with lots of graphs, numbers, and references. A lot has happened in the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=blog.timbunce.org&blog=2562816&post=306&subd=timbunce&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to be speaking at the <a href="http://www.ossbarcamp.com">OSS BarCamp</a> in Dublin in September. Given the likely audience I think my <a href="http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/03/08/perl-myths/">Perl Myths talk</a> would be a good fit.</p>
<p>It needs updating though, and that&#8217;s where <em>you can help</em>&#8230;<span id="more-306"></span></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a strongly fact base talk with lots of graphs, numbers, and references. A <em>lot</em> has happened in the Perl community since I wrote the talk over 18 months ago!</p>
<p>Lots of the information needs to be checked and updated. The <a href="http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/12/comparative-language-job-trend-graphs/">jobs graphs are easy</a>, as are the basic CPAN numbers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to get updated versions of: the graph of CPAN uploads (slide 23), test counts for perl 5.10.1 (slide 44), the graph of cpan-testers reports (slide 47).</p>
<p>One item that&#8217;s not in the slides, which were written in Feb 2008, but is in <a href="http://blip.tv/file/1150746">the screencast</a> made later at OSCON (at 7:00) is the statement that &#8220;<em>One quarter of all CPAN distributions have been updated in the last 4 months! Half of all in the last 17 months!</em>&#8221; That&#8217;s an impressive and important statistic but it need updating. I think I got that from Schwern&#8217;s excellent &#8220;<a href="http://use.perl.org/~schwern/journal/36705">Perl is unDead</a>&#8221; talk, but I don&#8217;t know how he got the figures or, more importantly, how to update them. (And schwern.org seems down so I can&#8217;t get the <a href="http://schwern.org/~schwern/talks/Perl%20is%20unDead%20-%20YAPC-NA-2008.pdf">slides</a>.)</p>
<p>At OSCON I also talked about myths relating to Perl 6 (again, not in the old slides, but starting at 19:20 in the <a href="http://blip.tv/file/1150746">screencast</a>). I&#8217;d like to cover Perl 6 when I talk in Dublin in September, but the status of Parrot and Perl 6 has changed in the last 18 months even more than Perl 5. So I need help with good sources of hard data for Parrot and Perl 6, similar to what I have in the screencast but updated.</p>
<p>More generally, I&#8217;m also looking for new sources of information &mdash; hard data about the vigourous health of perl and its community. Have you seen any relevant talks/slides or blog posts you can recommend?</p>
<p>Can you help with any of the above?</p>
<p>Thank you in advance!</p>
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		<title>Perl Myths &#8211; OSCON 2008</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gave a updated version of my earlier Perl Myths talk at OSCON this year. It includes updated numbers, updated job trend graphs (showing good growth in perl jobs) and slides for the perl6 portion that were missing from the upload of the previous talk.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave a updated version of my <a href="http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/03/08/perl-myths/">earlier Perl Myths talk</a> at <a href="http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/3242">OSCON this year</a>. It includes updated numbers, updated job trend graphs (showing good growth in perl jobs) and slides for the perl6 portion that were missing from the upload of the previous talk.</p>
<p>Two versions of the slides are available: one with just <a href="http://timbunce.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/perl-myths-200807key.pdf">the slides</a> on a landscape page, and another with <a href="http://timbunce.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/perl-myths-200807-noteskey.pdf">slides and notes</a> on a portrait page.</p>
<p>I also have a screencast of the presentation which I hope to edit and upload before long. (I&#8217;ll update this page and post a new note when I do.)</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've uploaded my "Perl Myths" presentation to slideshare.net and google video. It debunks a few popular myths with hard facts, graphs and demos. Surprise yourself with the realities.<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=blog.timbunce.org&blog=2562816&post=23&subd=timbunce&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve uploaded my <i>Perl Myths</i> presentation to slideshare.net and google video:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Perl has it&#8217;s share of myths. This presentation debunks a few popular ones with hard facts. Surprise yourself with the realities.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>While I agree with Andy Lester that <a href="http://perlbuzz.com/2008/03/good-perl-code-is-the-best-form-of-evangelism.html">Good Perl code is the best form of evangelism</a>, I wanted to put together a presentation that others could refer to when they encounter misinformation about Perl. I cover these myths that I&#8217;ve heard <a href="http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/14/perceptions-of-perl-views-from-the-edge/">recently</a>:</p>
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<li>Perl is dead</li>
<li>Perl is hard to read / test / maintain</li>
<li>Perl 6 is killing Perl 5</li>
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<p>and pull in a wealth of upto date information, some of it quite surprising even to those familiar with Perl and its community. There are two versions, plus a video. I recommend the one <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200802-with-notes/" title="Link to SlideShare presentation">with notes</a> (which have useful extra detail and context for the slides) which is best <a href="http://timbunce.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/perl-myths-200802-with-notes.pdf" title="Download PDF of slides with notes">viewed as a PDF</a>. There&#8217;s also one <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200802/" title="Link to SlideShare presentation with notes">without notes</a> which I&#8217;ve embedded here:</p>
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<p>I videoed an extended version of this presentation at <a href="http://iwtc.firstport.ie/">IWTC</a> in Dublin in February. The first 40 minutes or so correspond with the slides above. In the remaining 30 minutes or so I talk about Parrot and Perl 6. I&#8217;ve embedded the video below, but wordpress forces me to use a small size so you&#8217;ll probably prefer to <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8103133625772088658" title="Perl Myths video at video.google.com">view it at video.google.com</a>:<span style='text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='400' height='330' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' data='http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8103133625772088658'><param name='allowScriptAccess' value='never' /><param name='movie' value='http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8103133625772088658'/><param name='quality' value='best'/><param name='bgcolor' value='#ffffff' /><param name='scale' value='noScale' /><param name='wmode' value='opaque' /></object></span></p>
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