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		<title>Interesting Items OSCON 2008 &#8211; Dealing with Streaming Data</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>TimBunce</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a collection of links to things discussed, or just mentioned, at OSCON that I found interesting enough to note. Hopefully one of a series for OSCON 2008, as time allows. These items are from a great talk on &#8220;A Streaming Database&#8221; by Rafael J. Fernández-Moctezuma at PDXPUG day. Hancock is a C-based domain-specific [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=blog.timbunce.org&blog=2562816&post=77&subd=timbunce&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a collection of links to things discussed, or just mentioned, at OSCON that I found interesting enough to note. Hopefully one of a series for OSCON 2008, as time allows.</p>
<p>These items are from a great talk on &#8220;A Streaming Database&#8221; by <a href="http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~rfernand/">Rafael J. Fernández-Moctezuma</a> at <a href="http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdxpugday">PDXPUG</a> day.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.research.att.com/~kfisher/hancock/">Hancock</a> is a C-based domain-specific language designed to make it easy to read, write, and maintain programs that manipulate large amounts of relatively uniform data. In addition to C constructs, Hancock provides domain-specific forms to facilitate large-scale data processing</p>
<p>The <a href="http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1146463">CQL </a> continuous query language (<a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&amp;rls=en-us&amp;q=cql+widom&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8">google</a>)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cs.brown.edu/research/borealis/public/"> Borealis </a> is a distributed stream processing engine. Borealis builds on previous efforts in the area of stream processing: Aurora and Medusa.</p>
<p><a href="http://research.microsoft.com/db/cedr/default.aspx">CEDR</a> is the Complex Event Detection and Response project from Microsoft Research.</p>
<p>Google <a href="http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/07/protocol-buffers-googles-data.html">Protocol Buffers</a> &#8220;allow you to define simple data structures in a special definition language, then compile them to produce classes to represent those structures in the language of your choice&#8221;.<br />
 Which seems like <a href="http://developers.facebook.com/thrift/">Thrift</a> which is &#8220;a software framework for scalable cross-language services development. It combines a powerful software stack with a code generation engine to build services that work efficiently and seamlessly between langauges&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Lies, damn lies, and search engine rankings</title>
		<link>http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/25/lies-damn-lies-and-search-engine-rankings/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started a related <a href="http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/12/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics/">recent post</a> with a quote that seems just as apt here:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Figures often beguile me, <em>particularly when I have the arranging of them myself</em>; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: &#8216;There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.<br />
- Mark Twain</p></blockquote>
<p>If you regularly use just one search engine, as I tend to do, it&#8217;s very easy to be lulled into a false sense of security about the quality and relevance of the results.</p>
<p>I was <a href="http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/04/20/tiobe-or-not-tiobe-an-update/">recently reminded</a> of the significant differences that can occur in the results of different search engines. That, in turn, reminded me of tools I&#8217;d come across previously to highlight those differences. In particular one that gives a very clear picture of the differences in ranking. After a little digging I found it at <a href="http://www.langreiter.com/exec/yahoo-vs-google.html">langreiter.com</a> (via <a href="http://www.seocompany.ca/tool/5-compare-search-engine-ranking-tools.html">list of tools</a> at www.seocompany.ca).</p>
<p>As a demonstration, here&#8217;s a comparison of the top results for <a href="http://www.langreiter.com/exec/yahoo-vs-google.html?q=%2B%27perl+programming%27">+&#8221;perl programming&#8221;</a> at Google (top) and Yahoo (bottom):</p>
<p><img style="border:0 none;margin:10px 0;" src="http://timbunce.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/google-vs-yahoo-rankings-for-perl-programming-via-langreiter.png?w=908&#038;h=218" border="0" alt="google vs yahoo rankings for perl programming via langreiter.png" width="908" height="218" align="left" /></p>
<p>and here&#8217;s the same for <a href="http://www.langreiter.com/exec/yahoo-vs-google.html?q=%2B%27python+programming%27">+&#8221;python programming&#8221;</a>:</p>
<p><img style="border:0 none;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;" src="http://timbunce.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/google-vs-yahoo-rankings-for-python-programming-via-langreiter.png?w=910&#038;h=222" border="0" alt="google vs yahoo rankings for python programming via langreiter.png" width="910" height="222" align="left" /></p>
<p>Each dot represents a result url, with the top ranked results on the left. Where a url appears in the top 100 results on both Google and Yahoo then a line is drawn between them to highlight the different rankings. On the <a href="http://www.langreiter.com/exec/yahoo-vs-google.html">site</a> you can hover over the dots to see the corresponding url.</p>
<p>I remember being very surprised when I first saw these kinds of results a few years ago. I&#8217;m no less surprised now. If fact more so, as I&#8217;d had (naïvely) expected Yahoo and Google to have converged somewhat in their concept of relevancy. At least for top results.</p>
<p>The particular queries I used above are not exceptional. I couldn&#8217;t find <em>any</em> query that didn&#8217;t have significant differences in rankings. Don&#8217;t believe me? Go try it yourself at <a href="http://www.langreiter.com/exec/yahoo-vs-google.html">http://www.langreiter.com/exec/yahoo-vs-google.html</a>.</p>
<p>That so many of the top 20 from one search engine don&#8217;t even appear in the top 100 of the other is&#8230; is&#8230; well, I&#8217;m not quite sure what to make of it. At first sight it seems like a bad thing, but I also have to admit that it&#8217;s a good thing. At least in some ways. Diversity is important in any ecosystem.</p>
<p>If you only use one major search engine then you have to accept that you&#8217;re getting just one view of the internet. Most of the time you may be happy with that. It&#8217;s worth keeping it in mind, though, for those times when you&#8217;re struggling to find good results.</p>
<p>One way to avoid the issue is to use a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasearch_engine">meta search engine</a> that&#8217;ll query multiple search engines for you and merge the results. There are <a href="http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Searching/Metasearch/">lots of them</a>.</p>
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		<title>TIOBE or not TIOBE &#8211; &#8220;Lies, damned lies, and statistics&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>TimBunce</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[I couldn't resist the title, sorry.] &#8220;Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: &#8216;There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. - Mark Twain I&#8217;ve been meaning to write a post [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=blog.timbunce.org&blog=2562816&post=31&subd=timbunce&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>[I couldn't resist the title, sorry.]</em></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: &#8216;There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.<br />
- Mark Twain</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to write a post about the suspect methodology of the TIOBE Index but Andrew Sterling Hanenkamp <a href="http://contentment.org/2008/04/perl-is-not-going-away.html">beat me to it</a> (via <a href="http://perlbuzz.com/2008/04/perl-is-not-going-away.html">Perl Buzz</a>).</p>
<p>I do want to add a few thoughts though&#8230;</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html">TIOBE Programming Community Index</a> is built on two assumptions:</p>
<li>that the number of search engine hits for the phrase &#8220;<em>foo</em> programming&#8221; is proportional to the &#8220;popularity&#8221; of that language.</li>
<li>that the proportionality <em>is the same for different languages</em>.</li>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to pick holes in both of those assumptions.</p>
<p>They also claim that &#8220;The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors&#8221; but I can&#8217;t see anything in <a href="http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/tpci_definition.htm">their methodology</a> that supports that claim.<br />
I presume they&#8217;re just pointing out the kinds of sites that are more likely to contain the &#8220;<em>foo</em> programming&#8221; phrase.</p>
<p>Even if you can accept their assumptions as valid, can you trust their maths? Back in Jan 2008 when I was researching <a href="http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/02/14/perceptions-of-perl-views-from-the-edge/">views of perl</a> TIOBE was mentioned. So I took a look at it.</p>
<p>At the time Python had just risen above Perl, prompting TIOBE to declare Python the &#8220;programming language of the year&#8221;. When I did a manual search, using the method they described, the results didn&#8217;t fit.</p>
<p>I wrote an e-mail to Paul Jansen, the Managing Director and author of the TIOBE Index. Here&#8217;s most of it:</p>
<blockquote><p>Take perl and python, for example:</p>
<p>I get 923,000 hits from google for +&#8221;python programming&#8221; and 3,030,000 for +&#8221;perl programming&#8221;. (The hits for Jython, IronPython, and pypy programming are tiny.) As reported by the &#8220;X-Y of approx Z results&#8221; at the top of the search results page.</p>
<p>Using google blog search I get 139,887 for +&#8221;python programming&#8221; and 491,267 for +&#8221;perl programming&#8221;. (The hits for Jython, IronPython, and pypy programming are tiny.)</p>
<p>So roughly 3-to-1 in perl&#8217;s favor from those two sources. It&#8217;s hard to imagine that &#8220;MSN, Yahoo!, and YouTube&#8221; would yield very different ratios.</p>
<p>So 3:1 for perl, yet python ranks higher than perl. Certainly seems odd.</p>
<p>Am I misunderstanding something?</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get a reply.</p>
<p>I did note that many languages had dipped sharply around that time and have risen sharply since. Is that level of month-to-month volatility realistic?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, James Robson has implemented an alternative, and open source, set of <a href="http://lui.arbingersys.com/index.html">Language Usage Indicators</a>. I&#8217;m hoping he&#8217;ll add trend graphs soon.</p>
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		<title>Loaded Perl: A history in 530,000 emails</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[MarkMail is a free service for searching mailing list archives. They&#8217;ve just loaded 530,000 emails from 75 perl-related mailing lists into their index. They&#8217;ve got a home page for searching these lists at http://perl.markmail.org/. Of course the first thing people often do with new search engines is search for themselves. I&#8217;m no exception. Where MarkMail [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=blog.timbunce.org&blog=2562816&post=25&subd=timbunce&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.markmail.org/">MarkMail</a> is a free service for searching mailing list archives. They&#8217;ve just loaded <a href="http://markmail.blogspot.com/2008/03/loaded-perl-530000-emails.html">530,000 emails from 75 perl-related mailing lists</a> into their index.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve got a home page for searching these lists at <a href="http://perl.markmail.org/">http://perl.markmail.org/</a>.</p>
<p>Of course the first thing people often do with new search engines is search for themselves. I&#8217;m <a href="http://perl.markmail.org/search/?q=from%3A%22Tim+Bunce%22">no exception</a>. Where MarkMail shines is the ability to drill-down into the results in many ways with a single click (bugs, announcements, attachments etc). Worth a look.</p>
<p>The graph of messages per month is not just cute, you can click and drag over a range of bars to narrow the search to a specific period. It clearly shows my activity rising sharply in 2001 and then dropping to a lower level after 2004.</p>
<p>I particularly pleased that they&#8217;ve indexed <a href="http://perl.markmail.org/search/list:org.perl.dbi-users">dbi-users</a>, <a href="http://perl.markmail.org/search/list:org.perl.dbi-dev">dbi-dev</a>, and <a href="http://perl.markmail.org/search/list:org.perl.dbi-announce">dbi-announce</a> lists.</p>
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